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I would like to thank, again, Senator Leahy, and the entire Committee for the opportunity to testify at today's hearing. Thank you, Colonel. One thing I should have asked before. Can everybody hear all right?
How about you students up there? Raise your hand if you can hear? But [Laughter. And thank you very much, Colonel. And we are going to go back to this, but I liked very much what you said about pooling the resources. If it was ever essential anywhere, it's essential in a small state. And I see the director shaking his head yes he understands from his own experience. The Youth Service Bureau assists around 2, youth in Washington County each year, up to 10, youth through its statewide efforts.
She is now the associate director of the organization. So she plans to implement the wide variety of programs and services to support young people as they go through that transition into being young adults. And she has her BA from Norwich University just a few miles away. Please go ahead, Ms. Senator Leahy, Senator Whitehouse, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. For the past 33 years I have worked to develop services to meet the needs of young people in this county and throughout the state.
The Youth Service Bureau Boys and Girls Club is one of our community's effective efforts to combat drug-related crime. Here in Washington County we serve about 2, young people and their families every year and through our statewide efforts we serve about 10, others. Locally we provide services to runaway youth and their families, temporary emergency shelter to youth in crisis, transitional living support to homeless youth, adolescent substance abuse prevention and treatment services that are funded partially through a grant from the Vermont Department of Health, SAMSA pass-through money.
We provide assistance to teen parents and their children. We have a teen center and after-school program, a peer outreach program, a program to connect at-risk youth with green jobs, and a residential transitional living program for young men returning from Barre City jail. On a statewide basis, the Youth Service Bureau started and now administers the Vermont Coalition of Runaway and Homeless Youth Programs that involves 13 organizations throughout the state.
We also operate the Vermont Coalition of Teen Centers that serves about 30 teen centers in Vermont and we have Americorp and Vista programs that place about 50 volunteers in youth-serving organizations throughout Vermont every year. As I have done my work over the years, I have continually tracked research about why young people succeed or they don't. My testimony here today is based on my experience at the Youth Service Bureau, but also research by people like J.
Hawkins, and R. I have submitted a bibliography of that research along with my testimony. Basically preventing drug abuse, crime and other social ills can only be accomplished through actions that promote physical, mental, and spiritual health and well being. When young people do not perceive their own promise, are emotionally maimed, are estranged from their communities that creates crime. It creates wounded children who self-medicate with drugs and who have nothing to lose.
The well-being of children and well-being of the community cannot be separated. In Washington County we're fighting for our children which means we're also fighting for our communities. New Directions coalitions in Barre, Cabot, and Montpelier are promoting a culture of community wellness that's free of substance abuse. Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid state department of education's evaluation of 25th Centuryst Century Learning Center Programs shows that quality after-school activities help young people succeed in school, a powerful research-based protective factor against substance abuse.
The Community Connections Program operates in the Washington Central Supervisory Union and in Montpelier also to provide quality out-of-school time experiences to help kids succeed.
They're giving teens a safe, supervised, substance-free place to hang out, learn leadership skills, and have fun while forming good relationships with strong role models. Community--Central Vermont Community Action Council educates teen parents, is providing funds to the Youth Service Bureau through a Department of Labor grant to prepare at-risk youth for green jobs and work fervently to address wanid the causes and effects of poverty.
Our Washington County Parent Child Center is working with young parents and their children--young children and their parents. The Community Justice Centers in Barre and in Montpelier are bringing restorative approaches to address conflicts and redress wrongs. The Youth Service Bureau's Return House is a residential transitional living program for young male offenders age 18 to 22 who are returning to Barre City from jail.
Return House is the only program Burlinton its kind in the state and in the past 4 years since it opened, not one of its participants has Burlingto a new crime. In spite of our successes, some young people are still falling through the cracks and living in a harsh and dangerous reality. At this time, the most porous spot in Vermont's safety net and the most perilous point in the long crossing to adulthood is for transition-age youth, those n the ages of 17 and At every point in 's life, the opportunity for health and success is precariously balanced with the challenges that could snowball to produce alienation, hopelessness, substance abuse, and crime.
There is a strong, committed service system for young children and school-age children. It needs more resources, but it does exist. But by the time kids are in their late teens or have become young adults, there aren't many people left to pick them up if they fall down. It's true that older teens and young adults who are troubled can be hard to help. They're pretty good a burning bridges. But as a community we can't give up on them. The Youth Service Bureau works daily with young people between the ages of 17 and 25 who are in crisis and who have no supervisor system.
Each year our transitional living program for homeless youth helps about young people. But that program is dreadfully underfunded and the reality is, there are many pressing needs that Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid can't meet. But if you take a moment to picture a pregnant year-old sleeping in woma hallway of an apartment building or an year-old man sleeping in an abandoned car, then the real impact on young people and the impact on Vermonnt community comes into sharper focus.
Eighteen to year-old men are the largest population under the supervision of the Vermont Department of Corrections. The majority of young men in jail today did not graduate from high school, and many have learning disorders. About 95 percent of them have substance abuse problems that have not been treated and are not now treated in jail. Most have backgrounds of abuse and neglect. Many were in foster care. The of women supervised by corrections, while lower, has grown.
Almost 90 percent have been abused, 95 percent have substance abuse problems, and 60 percent have diagnosed mental health problems. There are young people--these are the young people who fell through the cracks in our support system. And helping them make a successful transition back into the community from jail Bulington our best chance to help them move their lives onto a different track.
Again, thank you. The next witness, Susan is a single mother. Her son Mark is currently serving in Afghanistan and I might say parenthetically, like all of the Vermonters who are serving there, we keep them in our prayers and our thoughts. It's a difficult time for that. She participated in the modular home building program for 3 Burlinton while incarcerated at Northwest State Correctional Facility. She has recently started her own business. She was also involved in creating a drop-in support group for women being released from prison.
And I might also add parenthetically, it took great courage for you to be here. And both Senator Whitehouse and I appreciate that. Please go ahead. So good morning and thanks for the opportunity to testify today. My name is Susan and I'm 42 and I'm a single mom. Brlington come from a family with no criminal history and no background of substance abuse. But Budlington have served time in prison because I have abused alcohol. I started drinking and using other drugs when I was I started bartending around this time.
My use became normal and an expected part of my work and social life. I drove regularly under the influence and had my first DUI at the age of I stopped using all substances when I discovered I was pregnant with my son. I then left treatment and went back to bartending full time believing I had my use under control because I needed the income.
My son's father and I separated when Mark, my son, was 6 months old. His father was a huge presence in his life throughout his early childhood. Things changed when his father remarried and essentially abandoned his son for his new wife. Mark started Perttie in trouble after this and was left to deal with his behavior on his own. The emotional and financial stress led to a relapse. I was charged with a DUI twice in 1 year and eventually found myself incarcerated.
It was then, when I was incarcerated at St. Albans, that I found Vermont Works for Women and Building Homes and Building Lives, a training program that gave me a purpose and made me feel like a wajtid again. I was not left out or forgotten. We built modular Sluth that were sold to affordable housing. Being on a crew helped me learn new skills and brush up on some old skills I had not Sokth in a long time.
I was given the chance to learn and teach as well as get certified in areas that would later find out to help me find work when I had left. The program gave me structure and goals which I needed. I worked hard and I learned to trust the other women on the crew and build something that I could view every day and know that I had accomplished it. The program also introduced me to and developing portfolios for the work we are doing and the skills we had learned.
I was also supported and prepared by this program that I made a decision to start my own painting business with my sister when I got out. I was released on October 15th of My son was then and is still in the Army serving our country in Afghanistan. Returning without him to care for was hard. I had a tendency to isolate and knew that would be bad for me.
Well, I never had the chance because Vermont Works for Women Prertie me from the moment I got out to this very day. If I needed stamps or if I needed a ride, or a phone call, support, information on some of the supports in the community, they were very helpful, to say the least. It is really important that we reduce the isolation of people Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid return home from prison, especially those who have battled addiction.
A lot of the people with whom we come into contact upon their release are state employees who have authority over our actions. It is very important to have the support and community organizations that could be an ally and connect me to the resources I need to move forward. Because of my experience I recently started a group for women who are returning to the community and looking for peer support, a group that Vermont Works for Women has helped to support.
This makes me proud and helps with my feelings of self worth and enables me to give back to the community. I will close by saying that thanks to the help of all the staff of Vermont Works for Women I have launched my own business with my sister. We are fully d and insured and working so hard and so much that we are looking to hire some help this summer.
I am making healthy choices and working out daily. I have changed my diet to reflect my focus on my health. I continue individual counseling and I am active in the community working for the United Way to do repairs for the elderly and facilitating the drop-in support group. I am really touched Susan. Chairman Leahy [continuing].
By what you had to say, but also by your courage in being here. I could see my wife, Marcel, nodding the same behind you, but it's--we'll come back to this, but what you were talking about isolation and having the support group so you are not isolated. I can't emphasize how important that is in a rural state. It's extraordinarily important.
But sometimes you can have isolation right in the middle of a city too. So let's not forget that. Thank you very, very much. Our next Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid is Demartin Quadros, the final witness. He's the owner and operator of Dunkin Donuts Shops in three Vermont locations including downtown Barre. I know that for a fact. As a small business owner in Barre he often collaborates with the Downtown Development Committee and local law enforcement on how to make Barre a safer place.
Please, go ahead, sir. First I would like to thank Senator Leahy and Senator Whitehouse for giving me the opportunity to speak. I co-own the business with my sister, Susan Covey. It has been a family business since And a lot of people don't know, but Dunkin Donuts are all independently owned and operated. I have run the Barre location since that time.
Over the past decade I have seen a lot of change in downtown, especially over the last couple of years. The mayor and chief have focused there efforts in patrolling the downtown area more frequently and more visibly with foot patrol. This, I feel, has made a big difference in many instances of avoiding certain crime from my prospective; especially drug-related activities. The biggest challenge we have had in downtown is the perceptions of the surrounding communities and our customers.
Perception is something that takes a long time to change. And it's bad and really hurts downtown businesses, especially when it's bad. Barre is centrally located along with Montpelier and is the meeting point, you know, for everything from shopping to employment, you know, for all the surrounding communities. When it gets into the evening hours, I believe, people don't feel safe going downtown. Which from the changes that I have seen over the years I believe there has been much improvement but if people still perceive it not to be safe then that has to be changed.
And the community has summer concert events and other things that go on which I think is really important in bringing the community together. And the local law enforcement definitely need to have the resources to act as a deterrent and prevent crime from happening. Especially when a community like Barre sometimes has the added burden due just to where it's located in relation to the court system and other downtown businesses and services.
And I believe being rural like has been addressed today, is one of the big reasons it makes it more difficult as far as having those resources. So, again, to reiterate, it makes it really important that the surrounding communities get involved in coming up with solutions. As a business owner I have taken steps to make my location safe and secure.
I have added surveillance cameras to my parking lot, additionally with lighting for the evening hours and that has helped tremendously.
And my surveillance system has already been used Vermnot a couple of occasions in collaboration with the local law enforcement to help solve some local crimes. And as businesses, I think we play a major part in helping deter Buglington crime by taking some of these steps and working with fellow businesses to make our downtown safe and drug free. We depend on our community that's why we are in business to serve them, so I want them to feel safe and know that it is safe to visit Burlingon anytime of the day.
I believe we are getting there and it takes involvement from all of Vermoht in the community as a whole to make it happen. I would like to thank the Senators again for giving me this opportunity. Don't be nervous. It's kind of hard. I'm not too used to this. Listen, this has been--I'm going to ask a few questions. This has been a superb panel. Again, wojan of the reasons for getting out of Washington when we can. I'm going to Verkont with a question for director Kerlikowske.
And I want to thank you again. I know what your schedule is like and to come up here yesterday and meet with us and be here, I do appreciate it. I'm glad to hear you say that both you and the Obama administration recognize what law enforcement officials like Colonel L'Esperance has been telling us and what communities have been proving for years, that law enforcement alone doesn't solve the problem.
We have to work together. And do you agree that the Federal Government can and actually has to do more to support those communities that are tackling the problem with the unified approach that includes treatment and prevention and rehabilitation along with law enforcement? Very much so. There's so much criticism right now of the Federal Government, and yet, I spent, Preftie you know, the vast majority of my career at the local level. And I think as you and many other Senators Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid agree that the solution to the problems they're not always developed within the Beltway.
I know that will be a surprise too [Laughter. But Chairman Leahy. We'll accept that. But I truly believe there is a gray rule for the Federal Government particularly in this and that is through the awntid of Drug Free Communities, it's a small amount of money, but it really helps people leverage those resources. And those Drug Veront Communities require that the schools, that law enforcement, that community stakeholders all come together and that they develop those local solutions.
So I could not be in more agreement that we can do more and we should do more about this problem in support and in leadership, but Vermobt in directing. Well, you're going to be introducing the new national drug control strategy. Will that reflect some of these changes and priorities?
Very much so, Senator. I'm looking forward to that rollout. Colonel L'Esperance, I know in the years I was a prosecutor we were effective when we had coordination and boy we were really hurting when we didn't. So you worked on the task force model with state and local county government, tell me why that's so important? I think, Senator, that's the most effective tool we have in law enforcement, pooling our Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid together and whether it's the drug task force or Vegmont crimes of a sexual nature against children or domestic violence, bringing our best police officers forward, men and women who are dedicated to this particular cause.
Again, whether it's the drug task force or what have you. The funding for this process is vital right now. As you know, state, county and local funding has dried up while we're facing probably the most difficult time I've seen in over 23 years of being a state trooper. So the Federal funding that comes in allows us to continue with this wantd task force model with this task force model for investigating crimes against Burlinggton, just the task force model in general.
Well, we saw what it did in one of our more publicized and horrible murders here in Vermont a couple years ago. In fact, when the director of the FBI, Robert Muller, came to Vermont, he made it a point to talk to members of the task force and say how important that was. I want to go, Susan, if you don't mind, if I could ask you a few questions. And, again, I applaud your willingness and your courage in testifying here today. You talked about the importance of community involvement and helping people escape substance abuse.
I hope that when you're--what you said will give encouragement to others who try to escape substance abuse. There are people in this audience who know that you have wantie have people who work together and can help you when you have such problems. Your experience with Vermont Works for Women really speaks to what I feel is important at the local level. I think you should be proud of what you've accomplished.
Good for you. And I think Vermont Works for Women should be pretty proud. If you had somebody and you probably will after this testimony, you'll have somebody coming to you with a similar story and talk about the situation you were in. What would you tell them? Well, there are so many resources out there and every town has their resources.
They're available, it's just a matter of hearing about them or knowing about them. I wouldn't have known about Vermont Works for Women, unfortunately, unless I was incarcerated. But taking advantage of the programs out there, a lot of people don't. I would tell them to look, you know, look outside of DOC and-- you know. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but would it be safe to say you could tell somebody who's been incarcerated, that's not dantid end of the world?
I happen to agree with you on that. And I Sort of along the same way, Ms. Floersch, you're going to see, and you do see a lot of people going in the wrong direction.
Do you give up, or do you have ways to get them back? Never give up. When we give up that's when they do end up in corrections. And if we give wanhid when they come out, and we keep giving up as they go in again and come out, then we will have no way to help them have the sort of successes as Susan has had. And so we've--the way we don't give up is we'll go find them. If they don't show up for a meeting, we go find them. And we keep welcoming them back even if they keep missing their appointments or doing wrong.
Well, I think of programs like AA. You have people that are sort of the lifeline people, somebody you can call, you go out, reach them, bring them back. Quadros, let me ask you, I think this question probably answers itself. But, would you agree, No. Definitely not. And second, the business community has to be really part of the community in this; do they not? They do. That's a big, big part of it. I know I talked to the Mayor not only here, but in other cities in Vermont.
They tell me that when the business community comes together with the education community, the rehab community, and law enforcement, that the whole is greater Burlinggon the sum of the parts. I mean, together they accomplish a great deal more. Would you agree with that? Definitely do. Senator Whitehouse, let me--I don't mean to be--please go ahead.
Well, I've been very impressed by the testimony we've heard about these two programs, the Return House and Ms. Floersch, you said that that has a zero recidivism rate in 4 years. None of the uBrlington have committed new crimes. Some have gone back to jail for violation of conditions of release Senator Whitehouse. Floersch [continuing]. But have not committed a new crime. And so often they will go back and then come back into Return House and settle down because they realize Senator Whitehouse.
They realize Ms. Well, the--it's one of the interesting quirks of our justice system that we put enormous resources out into patrolling the general community. And we put enormous resources into our departments of corrections patrolling the incarcerated folks. But when people leave the incarcerated environment and come back into the community, there is not ordinarily enough support for them. And they are usually the folks most likely to recidivate, most likely to commit new crimes, most challenging for the communities around them, so you would think that that would be an area for greater attention and support.
Clearly what Return House is doing is working. What would you describe as the main attributes or characteristics that have led to its success? And where does it find its financial support? Return House would not have been possible without support from the U. We also take all of those other varied services we have at Vermojt agency and plug in with the young people and Return House so there's sort of a wrap-around approach.
Also, that we do, do wrap- around services with substance abuse treatment, mental health treatment, trying to help young people learn good leisure skills use. And furthermore, just the collaboration and coordination with other agencies. We work with the Department of Corrections, we have support, and we have had from the city of Bare. And we work with Community Action Food Works, other organizations that--so we don't go it alone. How important is the focus on a particular age group?
This age Senator Whitehouse. Could you expand it or do you feel it is better to leave it focused on young male adults? So we stay within our mission. But specifically, young male adults because they are the largest group of people incarcerated in Vermont and because they're difficult. They are often, because of their life circumstances, when they get Prettke they are very likely to recidivate and need a whole lot of support Pfettie figure out how to get their lives in order.
The other program obviously is Vermont Works for Women which, Susan, you testified so wonderfully about. How did you find out about the program and what can you tell us about how it's funded and where it gets its support? Well, I found out about it through when I was incarcerated in St. That's where the modular home program is at. So, they recruit people who are incarcerated there.
Their funding I'm not quite sure about because I don't work there. But I'm pretty sure it's a bunch of different organizations, I would have to Senator Whitehouse. Have to find out? Does anybody else know? Barbara, do you know? No, I don't, but Audience Participant. Oh, wonderful. Where do you get your money? I will have the staff meet with you after and get that wojan breakdown so we can have it in the record, name and everything else.
Well, congratulations and clearly you have a wonderful Ambassador for your program here. I'll reveal an inter-senatorial courtesy. Director Kerlikowske, you've heard some of this testimony, you were chief of police at a large city on the west coast. Did you hear some things that are not that unfamiliar Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid your own experience when you were a chief?
In many ways, you're absolutely correct, Senator. One of the--one of the great benefits of having been a Prettoe chief in both Buffalo and also in Seattle was getting to see the local communities come together and to make a difference, not only in crime, but what I truly believe is going to be a model Prettke the future and that's the same level of collaboration and cooperation that can be put to the drug issue.
Right now, as you well know, with health care and other issues, it's very difficult to get a lot of attention to the drug problem nationally. But we know that all of these womman have been touched by this. We know that law enforcement is a big proponent of a collaborative effort. The President had instructed me to get as much input as I could from around the country.
And this opportunity to be here in Vermont and to hear this just adds to my depth and store of knowledge about the problem. And I appreciate listening to all of the witnesses also. You know, it was interesting when the other hearings we had I think the first of the series was down in Rutland. And the Senators who were there heard things they hadn't before. But also the staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee that has to work on the legislation got a chance.
I want to yield back to Senator Whitehouse. Go ahead. Director Kerlikowske, the role of the medical community in addressing our national drug problem is one that has emerged recently. I think it's been a welcome attribute. I'd love to ask you a little bit about how Pretti see that role and what you think the Office of National Drug Control Policy can do to encourage more engagement and support from the medical community for people who are facing what is a, very Burliington, fundamentally medical issue of addiction.
And then if I could ask Colonel L'Esperance, I would be interested in your Buurlington on your second tier, getting people into rehab and all of that. We started a drug court in Rhode Island when I was attorney general that was quite effective. And I would be interested in asking you what the means are that you think are most effective for transitioning people from their first exposure to the law enforcement system into wojan rehab and medical system.
If I could ask Director Wantdi to go first. I think the key Burlungton rolling treatment and addiction information into primary health care. As we had the opportunity to work through the administration on the health care Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid, drug abuse and addiction should not be separate from other parts of primary health care. And through screening and brief intervention, if we make this kind of thing a part of primary health care, we will have a huge issue.
Educating physicians within medical school about either addiction or pain management is another key component. That's helpful. Colonel L'Esperance. Senator, a few years ago we were addressing the methamphetamine problem as it moved west to east. We formed the Committee with the Department of Health and a member of the Department of Health made a pretty profound statement to me, that from his perspective the No. Which indicated to me that certainly we play a vital role in transitioning that person, that addict, Burlnigton the criminal justice owman into the treatment--treatment arena.
I don't think there are any addicts out there that say, today is the day I'm going to become a heroin addict. I think it takes time and over the course of time that they may become involved in the criminal justice system. But our role, from an enforcement perspective, is to have that contact and be proponents of the diversion program here in Vermont and other programs that Senator Whitehouse. You Burlingtpn the diversion program here? There is a diversion program here. It has been challenged in the past.
And whether it's related to legalization of marijuana or other drugs, the diversion program may Peettie that first encounter that someone has with someone from the treatment side or counseling side. So that womam a crucial component to not only law enforcement, but the state in general, to combat this scourge of drugs. And in your diversion program, if an individual is diverted toward a wwoman program they remain under the supervision of law enforcement until they have successfully completed the program; do they not?
If they don't complete the program successfully, they get back into the criminal justice system. So there is a component of oversight there. That strikes Bkrlington as being very helpful. If you are dealing with nonviolent offenders, it's often in the community's best interest to get them through their issues with the drug that they are dependent on and back to being productive members of the community as rapidly as you can.
And while I think the role of law enforcement is vital in this area, it has to be tempered with the knowledge that sometimes the best role of law enforcement is as a spur and a watchdog to keep people doing what they should be doing rather than to direct them right into dantid, for instance, the Ptettie system where they become a burden on the taxpayer, and if it's not necessary for people to be incarcerated, if they are capable of putting themselves into a helpful and effective role in the community more power to them.
I think Soutn seen an example of that today. You know, Mayor Lauzon was delighted about the fact of bringing this in the community and bringing people together talk about it. Let me ask you a question, Colonel, because held a--one of these Preettie we held, we had a pediatrician who came to testify and I remember some eyebrows that went up among some of the Burlinbton in the hearing when he talked about the amount of addiction among young people with prescription drugs.
And that it was not, you know, those people in that other neighborhood, boy, have they got problem, but rather you may have a problem right at home. Are you seeing that? I think that we could have a task force created to just deal with prescription drug abuse, distribution, diversion across Brulington state, across the country, for that matter. We have found that the Department of Health created a prescription drug monitoring program which will, as it continues to grow, be extremely effective.
But what the people in the business to make money have realized is you can Burlihgton the same routes or the same avenues to move cocaine that they did prescription drugs. So we found that our typical source, cities from outside of the state, are now heavily involved in moving prescription drugs into the state. So it has gone beyond the diverted drugs from doctor shopping and things like that.
Well, I think one of the--one of the things that concerns me is that some--you mentioned from out of state, that some may feel that because we are a small state that we won't respond. And I think the task force shows that we will. And we have to. Whether it's here in Barre, or Montpelier, or anywhere else in the state, we have to. It took a lot of networking to get it Prettie South Burlington Vermont woman wantid.
In particular, at the time there was a certain amount of--suspicion is too strong a word, but there wasn't as strong and robust a working relationship between the state police and municipal law enforcement as has developed since. What have been its main attributes of drawing people together, and has it been a force for improved t effort in the Vermont law enforcement community? I think that HIDTA was another unique entity that has broken down barriers between law enforcement agencies.
We have a trooper ased to it. There are county deputy sheriffs ased to it along with local police who have formed another task force who work in conjunction with the Drug Task Force. The director of HIDTA was here in the audience, Jay Fallen, and he works very hard ensuring that information sharing is taking place, deconfliction across New England taking place through the HIDTA, the program has been up, if my s are correct, since the mid- to late s Senator Whitehouse.
Colonel L'Esperance [continuing]. In New England. And we have worked very closely with the HIDTA and it brought together the Agency he from across New England to create strategies together that affect all of them. As I mentioned earlier, the source cities we find outside of the state of Vermont, Rhode Island, and bringing those agency he together through the HIDTA program has been very effective. The funding that comes from the HIDTA program is crucial to continue that task force environment in the Burlington area.
In there is direct funding from the domestic highway enforcement arena that comes right into the state police. We're able to inundate crime as it crosses the border and work collectively with the Drug Task Force in our approaches to the Barre community and the St. Albans, and things like that. And we've found that the prospect of resources which were fairly considerable through the HIDTA program was a ificant attraction for the different agencies to work together as was the professional prospect of making big cases.
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